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Andy Holmes Posted: 15-Feb-07 11:01
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We are pleased to be able to start taking orders for the new design ISO sails by Hyde. We are sure you will like them as much as we do! New design by a new manufacturer and at a lower price than they were 5 years ago! The first batch of sails will be flown in and should arrive in this country towards the end of March. Due to the increased transportation costs these sails are more expensive than the shipped in sails, which will be arriving in May. If you want your sails in time for the CVLSC open meeting these are the sails for you!

Costs of flown in sails are as follows;
ISO Main by Hyde 500
ISO Jib by Hyde 280
ISO Spinnaker by Hyde 575
Full Suit will cost 1355

The next batch of sails will be arriving in May and due to the lower transport costs will cost the following prices. These prices will become the standard prices for ISO sails in the future

Costs of shipped in sails;
ISO Main by Hyde 460
ISO Jib by Hyde 255
ISO Spinnaker by Hyde 530
Full Suit will cost 1245

We are taking orders now for new sails. To ensure that we are able to meet your delivery requirements from the first batch, air or sea freight, please send your firm written order, together with 50% deposit to reach W&W ASAP, final date for ordering of flown in sails will be announced when we know from Hyde.

We will of course order additional sails for stock with delivery via sea freight. However, after satisfying the pre-orders above, these will be sold on a first come first served basis. A gap can then be expected whilst the next batch is manufactured and shipped. Please confirm your orders for this season, with 50% deposit, ASAP.

We will be posting pictures of these sails very soon, so keep checking the site.
 
Rob_Heath Posted: 18-Feb-07 15:36
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Fantastic news ! we have already ordered our new main for May. Congratulations to everyone involved and thanks to W&W for taking on the ISO.

Have a great 2007 season

Rob (806)
 
Lloyd Walker Posted: 19-Feb-07 15:17
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Hi Andy Did you get my message via your e-mail? Lloyd
 
Andy Holmes Posted: 20-Feb-07 13:08
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Hi Lloyd,

We did post a reply saying that it was ok. I will try and send it again now though...

Cheers

Andy
 
steveb Posted: 22-Feb-07 08:54
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Is it a good idea to buy the new sails now, on the basis that the new ones are bound to be faster, definately better looking and my old ones are probably in need of refreshing. Or, do I wait to see if the new ones live up to the hype and have any teething problems sorted before I commit over 1200, in say 6-12 months time.
Does anyone know how the new material compares, in terms of longevity and durability, to the old ones.
 
Ian Moss Posted: 22-Feb-07 17:42
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New sails are going to be different but don't expect to just put them up and go faster. You may well have to change you sailing technique to get the most out them. I would say they have the potential to be faster and easier to manage though.

It is hard to say how they will compare because it very difficult to give the sails 3 years use in a couple of months. Hyde certainly won't sell material that falls apart so no need to be worried about that and we can vouch for the fact that the test sails were very well put together.

It is down to personal preference whether you get an early set. We are getting a production set delivered soon after the Dinghy show to confirm the first batch are as we expect them.

Ian Moss
ISO 1207
 
Bob Ladell Posted: 04-Mar-07 22:12
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As posted at the Show :-

New ISO fully rigged - 6895

Bare hull 2500 ( so if you have a broken boat - storm damage / road prang / major lack of TLC ............... buy a new hull and transfer the fittings and spars ........ )

Phone W&W

Bob


 
maggri Posted: 06-Feb-08 14:45
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Hello
Do they take shipment to Norway?
Need a spinnaker, JIB and Trapeze harness to a topper ISO from 1997.
Do i need to take a trip to UK?

Magne

 
Pete Lindley Posted: 06-Feb-08 17:29
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www.wet-windy.co.uk

They should ship anywhere.
http://www.isoracing.org.uk/supplier_feedback.htm


Are you going to be attending the Eurocup in Italy (2 - 5 August 2008)?
http://www.isoracing.org.uk/events_results/dedicated_pages/2008/2008_
eurocup_maccagno.htm


Pete
 
neilgbj Posted: 17-Mar-08 17:44
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I take it if I was to buy new Sobstads (can't afford the Hydes) they would still be class legal (and probably would'nt make any difference to me anyway !)

Neil
 
Pete Lindley Posted: 18-Mar-08 00:29
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Where are you going to purchase these Sobstads from Neil? I'm not sure if W&W have any Sobstads for sail any more? I could be wrong on that though.

An alternative is to buy some second hand Sobstads from someone.

Oh dilemma.

Pete
 
neilgbj Posted: 18-Mar-08 07:00
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Pete

Sobstad still have some at a reasonable price (main 300 and jib 180)although still more than I want to pay........second hand ones seem to go really quickly

Cheers

Neil
 
Pete Lindley Posted: 18-Mar-08 10:03
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Well any ISO specific equipment NOT bought through our licensee is illegal as far as the class rules are concerned. How this is policed I have no idea. I'm sure Andy (who this really effects) will post his comments when he gets round to checking the message board of the classes he supports.


Pete
 
neilgbj Posted: 18-Mar-08 10:12
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Pete

Thanks...I would be interested to see what he has to say. Don't really understand why new Sobstads should not be able to replace old and tired ones................what if someone does'nt like the Hydes ?

Cheers

Neil

[Edited by neilgbj on 18-Mar-08 10:14]
 
Dave 1002 Posted: 18-Mar-08 17:45
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Hi
I have got a new set of Sobstads. Only used in La Rochelle last year.
Also have got a never used, still in the bag Sobstad spinnaker.
As Pete says, dilemma. Do I try to sell them or keep them and use them, I have just got a set of Hydes.
Will it be too hard to swap between the two sail makers?

How much would some one pay for the Sobstads if I do decide to sell them?
Dave
 
neilgbj Posted: 18-Mar-08 19:47
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Just read the rules re replacements etc........Whilst I am not going to immediately replace my sails (still thrashing the old ones on our learning curve) ...........I may have misinterpreted things but it seems like there is a move to get everyone who competes at class events on Hydes by 2010 ? It is also pretty obvious that if I bought some of the remaining Sobstad stock they would not be class legal for class events but pre 2007 sails would be up to 2010. Does it matter if pre 2007 sails are bought from a private seller or a commercial seller i.e if they were actually made prior to 1.4.07 ? Bit of a minor point I accept but when trying to (cheaply) make the most out of my boat this could save me about 250 or more on brand new sails(working on the 'best bang for your bucks' theory)..........if you have fallen asleep reading this I apologise !

Cheers

Neil
 
Pete Lindley Posted: 19-Mar-08 09:32
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Class rule 2.1
"Only those companies currently holding Licenses to manufacture and market the ISO shall be entitled to sell or distribute the ISO and unique ISO equipment. This applies to new ISO boats and new unique ISO equipment only. General replacement chandlery such as ropes and blocks may be purchased from any chandler of an individual boat owners choice."


Sobstad are not licensed to manufacture sails anymore, therefore they cannot sell direct. This rule was put in place to ensure the licensee gets trade from the sailors.



Class Rule 4.3 Replacements (broken down into sections for explanation)

"All replacement parts not specifically described in the rules may only be obtained from the Licensee or their agents or any other supplier approved by the ISO Class Association Executive Committee or copyright holders to distribute unique ISO equipment. The ISO Class Association Executive Committee may approve additional suppliers or manufacturers at anytime."

This part allows everybody to go where they like for bits - unless the bits are unique ISO bits and therefore they must be obtained through the licensee. The last sentence says if we (the Class Association) want to pick and chose our licensee then we can. This last sentence was implemented after Topper messed us around for years. We would never implement this rule unless the licensee messed us around.



"Commencing from the 2007 season (1st of April), there will be a change in the sail manufacturer from Sobstad to Hyde Sails. Existing Sobstad sails (manufactured prior to the 2007 season) may continue to be used until and including the 2010 season at which point the rules will be reviewed. Sails can only be supplied by the Licensee or their agents."

The Hyde sails are faster, look better and make sailing the boat easier. With this in mind, we obviously want everyone on Hydes. However, this section of 4.3 allows any sails manufactured by Sobstad (now Elvestrom Sobstad) and manufactured prior to the cut off date, to be sold THROUGH the licensee and they can be used by all ISO sailors. This protects the licensee (ensure they get trade), it stops the production of the negative looking / performance / handling Sobstad sails, and ensures the class moves on and develops gradually.



"In the event that suppliers become approved during the year the ISO Class Association Executive Committee may publish the details on the Class web site and in a Class e-mail addressed to all registered Class Members. The choice of supplier and the component supplied will be included in the next Class ballot or AGM agenda, whichever is the earlier."

This last part of 4.3 allows us, the association, to allow suppliers and parts as the year progresses so that we don't miss out on any opportunities so to speak.



Does that help?


Pete


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Lloyd Walker Posted: 19-Mar-08 10:38
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Dave
In answer to your question about swapping from one sailmaker to another I think a bit too much has been made about the changes required for moving from one to the other. Last year after LaRochelle I didn't want to spoil my Hydes before the nationals and I was more than happy with the way we were going so I just put the Sobstadts back on for club racing (except for the kite as it is definately faster) and I didn't change anything; the boat was just as fast in the conditions we sailed in. It has a lot more to do with the weight of the helm and crew and the conditions. There is an old saying "flat water flat sails" which would indicate that the Sobstadts will not be as good inland or in light airs. The fuller Sobstadts are a lot more powerfull which might suit the heavier pairings but at the end of the day it all boils down to going the right way and making the adjustments on the water. By the adjustments on the water I mean things like sheet tensions barberhauler hights, kicker, luff tensions etc. These things change with the conditions and there is no definitive answer to them; just feel and experience. Basicaly practise a lot. But those varibles are just as subtle and inportant whichever sails you use so in answer to your question; no it isn't that dificult to swap from one to the other once you now how to get the best from each.
 
neilgbj Posted: 19-Mar-08 18:38
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Thanks for the above........Looks like cheap new sails are'nt an option . It will be interesting to see if W+W sell Sobstads anymore and if so how much more than buying direct. In the meantime I'll concentrate on trying to sail the boat better......

Neil
 

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