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Diederik Schuuring Posted: 19-Jun-06 16:23
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Hi, finally I had my first sail with the Boss. I’m glad I bought one because I think it is good fun and I’ll have more things to learn.

I noticed that the mast is pushing the deck down noticeably when I apply the right tension on the shrouds. Is this normal?

Furthermore sometimes there was a considerable force on the tiller extension, especially downwind. Is that normal or just me not sailing the Boss right?

And the force on the spinnaker sheet is much higher than on the Iso. I have the impression that might be caused by the smaller angel of sheet running over the ratchet block. Is this the case or could the brand of the ratchet block also add to this (Frederickson). Can that be overcome by adding an extra block in order to increase the angle of the sheet toughing the block? Or will my crew have to start power training?

Thanks, Diederik
 
Diederik Schuuring Posted: 22-Jun-06 08:48
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Hi, had my second sail yesterday. Force 4 to 6 with gusts to seven. My mouth is too small to accomodate my smile. Cann't get it of my face, awsome, more, more, more......
 
Bob Ladell Posted: 22-Jun-06 12:27
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Thought you didn't have any wind over there ????

Enjoy !!
 
Diederik Schuuring Posted: 23-Jun-06 07:20
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You're right about that. I believe we have had more wind this year already than the last two years together. Which is nice for a change.

 
Pork_pie_eater Posted: 26-Jun-06 20:54
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HI Diederik
Sorry for the delayed reply - been too busy working
Sounds like you're enjoying it - can't say I'm surprised! Where do you see the mast pushing down? The hull should be pretty solid at the step, so the only way it would be visible is if the space frame is moving UP. There should be two bars tying the mast gate to the floor, one in front and one bahind the mast. If they are not there, you could see the hull being squeezed by the rig tension. But it sounds a bit strange
On the spinnaker loading, expect a LOT more than an ISO - the sail is about twice as big. I remember an ISO crew having a go in our boat when I had a day off, and the first thing he said is "blimey (paraphrase where necessary) that kite doesn't half pull". No solution except weight training. By which I mean, eat more pies of course.
Have fun!!
 
Pork_pie_eater Posted: 26-Jun-06 20:56
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Oh, and on the subject of tiller force, is it windward helm (tiller pulling against you) or lee helm (tiller pushing). Either way, it sounds like something is not balanced. This can be as simple as keeping the boat flat, but could be a sympton of incorrect mast set-up. The helm should be quite light at all angles of sailing. The Boss is very easy to sail in that respect. Otherwise my man at the back would complain all the time
 
tom_evans Posted: 27-Jun-06 07:35
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I don't know how up to speed you are with asymetrics, so apologies if this sounds patronising: with such a large asymetric, the boat will naturally want to bear away. You can correct this by allowing the boat to heel to leeward slightly. We find in the spice that if the kite is sheeted in too tightly it is very difficult to push up from a broad reach, so you might want to try easing the sheets slightly, or sheeting in the main to balance the forces a little better.
 
Diederik Schuuring Posted: 27-Jun-06 12:09
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Hi, I sorted out the rudder setup: there was some room between the rudderblade and the hull. Setting this correctly the rudder was OK.

Next time I'll have a closer look at what moves when I tensioning up the shrouds. There are two bars between the spaceframe and the floor. So I find it a bit hard to imagine that the space frame can move up when the floor cannot move down. I'll keep you informed

Thanks, for the advice
 
Diederik Schuuring Posted: 06-Jul-06 07:19
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Don't see the maststep moving anymore when I pull the shrouds on. So don't know why I saw it earlier.

But I notice that it is sometimes impossible to fully pull the spinakker into its sock. Is this a known problem or am I doing something wrong? This is even the case when there is hardly any room between the upper part that is pulled down and the eyes where the downhaule is fed through. Looking at the pictures I took at Alexandra's place I have the impression that the fatman are using an extended sock.

Thanks, Diederik
 
Pork_pie_eater Posted: 06-Jul-06 10:16
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Yes, the sock on our boat is longer - this was an 'upgrade' you could get at the time of conversion. But we still have our washing hanging over the bow, when the kite is pulled down from one side (you can see it on the video on our boat as well as Steve's). I reckon it would be worth adding a small length of sock to your existing one, or maybe making a new longer one
Are you still smiling when you sail it?
 
Diederik Schuuring Posted: 06-Jul-06 11:54
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Yes, the smile is still very often present
 
timgrasse Posted: 25-Nov-09 20:46
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hi i dont sail a Boss but on the 200s i sail i found that the asymetrik comes in properly if you use a smaller bolyn on the patch
 

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