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Topic: spinnaker halyard take up |
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Colin Snook |
Posted: 09-Nov-04 13:22 |
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Pete,
With ref to your message on the buzz list: "The halyard take up system is exactly the same as the kite sheet take up system, but run up the starboard side of the bow".
Would this work on the ISO? - it sounds better than my current 'back to the stern' arrangement which tends to get in the way of my new adjustable mainsheet strop system (which works brilliantly btw).
Is it like the sheet take up - i.e. attached to pole (sounds a bit strange) or do you mean just elastic fixed at the bow?
Colin |
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Pete Lindley |
Posted: 09-Nov-04 17:47 |
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It is exactly the same as the kite sheet take up as depicted in the ISO Tweaks, but run up the starboard side of the bow.
It came from Bob Ladells ISO. It would work for Buzz and ISO anyway as the boat is the same just a different size.
Pete |
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Bob Ladell |
Posted: 10-Nov-04 01:25 |
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Ah - these Chairmen - have their occasional uses 
Works a treat for us keeping rope twists and tangles down to once a year.
Bob
[Edited by Bob Ladell on 10-Nov-04 21:18] |
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Colin Snook |
Posted: 10-Nov-04 14:16 |
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Hi Bob,
Currently mine goes to a micro block on a piece of elastic from the stern - this keeps it out the way whether the kites up or down but the take up can make it more difficult to operate the halyard (particularly launching) because it keeps taking the tail away from you.
It seems to me that your system will only have this problem when beggining launching (i.e. initially there will be no slack but it won't keep disappearing) but when the kite is up there is no take up and loads of slack halyard lying around getting itself knotted up ready to sink you at the leeward mark.
In any case i think i will try it your way as my current system isn't very good.
thanks
Colin |
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Bob Ladell |
Posted: 10-Nov-04 23:19 |
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Not really. As the pole goes out it releases the tension completely and allows the halyard to come right back in the boat.
We did have to adjust elastic and halyard length a bit to get the right compromise - easy enough.
We actually lengthened the halyard a bit by tieing a piece 18" long on the upper kite patch to which you then tie the halyard itself. Doubles as the downhaul knot.
We end up with about 18" or so free halyard at the kite sock when hoisted. |
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smileyrich |
Posted: 11-Nov-04 12:25 |
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Bob
Very interested in what you mean by the downhaul knot, please can you explain further? |
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Bob Ladell |
Posted: 11-Nov-04 23:40 |
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Sure. If you tie the kite halyard to the upper patch only then as you downhaul, the kite bunches up on the lower downhaul point. Makes for a great big lump of kite cloth trying to squeeze through the small bow hole.
Downside - crew has to pull very hard - puts a load of strain on the kite cloth - forces it into all sorts of corners that have a tendancy to catch and rip it - tired crew and hole in the wallet.
The standard alternative is to tie a loop, about forearm length, when tieing the halyard to the kite. Makes a knot about 18" from the upper patch. Put a large plastic ball below the knot to stop the knot jamming in the lower downhaul hole.
This drags the downhaul hole into the kite chute a bit before the main patch spreading out the amount of cloth going through the bow hole into the chute.
Think you can see where this is going - because the cloth is more spread out - it doesn't bunch up in a huge bundle - it slides into the chute a whole lot easier with less strain on crew and kite with both lasting a lot longer. Quicker too.
Hope that's a bit clearer than mud - best way is still to come along to an event / training course, talk to people and take look.
KGSC@Datchet Open Handicap 20th / 21st November - I'll be there and all are welcome. Be pleased to show you.
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smileyrich |
Posted: 12-Nov-04 08:43 |
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Bob
yes thanks, that makes a lot of sense and i agree with the problems faced with having to much cloth down the chute at one time.
Will remember this mod when next rigging the boat. Will not get a chance to race this year but hope to join in on the circuit next year.
In the mean time this would be a good tip to add to the tips/tweaks and techniques part of the web site - unless everybody else already knows it??
Thanks
Richard. |
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Pete Lindley |
Posted: 12-Nov-04 17:55 |
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This is one of the many many tips mentioned at training weekends.
The ISO Tweaks section does need revising but currently time is against me with other projects as well as college work etc.
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