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Mark Dowling Posted: 09-Jan-07 13:14
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I know Class Assoc is doing its best but still no sails available -
W&W say March at earliest for new jib - not sure what we are supposed to do in the meantime having just shredded ours at the weekend - I think we should simply go to another manufacturer and get it sorted - would have thought a deal could be done as there must be plenty of pent up demand - in the Laser Class we allow Rooster sails for club racing can't we do something similar to at least get boat back on the water - in the meantime toying with the idea of getting a Flying 15 - so must be getting old and grumpy!
 
Stu B Posted: 09-Jan-07 16:42
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Think on the bright side, it's only 2 months away and when Spring arrives!!

What do you sail? Iso? Buzz? I should know but have forgotten!!

Stuart.
Buzz 763.
 
Mark Dowling Posted: 09-Jan-07 17:33
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ISO - think we met down at Sheppey - you either helped with kite or caught me with my pants down on port going up the north shore! - but being a mascho.. mascocist miscocast... masochist I enjoy winter sailing and looks like March is a vague promise to me - so anyone got a spare jib!! - ( broke my mast the week before that but managed to straighten out a reserve bent one)
 
Lloyd Walker Posted: 09-Jan-07 18:05
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Hi Mark I agree lets get some sails made. I want to get an ISO this season but not untill I can buy new sails. Wet and Windy are hoping for March but no promises. I'd like to be sailing now.
 
Colinsc Posted: 09-Jan-07 19:06
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I am in the same state regarding sails I cant wait any longer,I saw in an earlier post that someone had a jib made by Owen Sails which was very good ,made in this country and with good service so I think that I will bite the bullet and just order from them.
 
Alex C Posted: 09-Jan-07 21:04
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Now that Topper are no longer the builders, wouldn't it be an idea to consider giving the choice of sailmaker to the sailor like for instance the B14 class. Not to sure about the difference to performance, but it would certainly mean cheaper sails!
 
Bob Ladell Posted: 09-Jan-07 22:29
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People - a little more reading of this Message Board would help everyone, instead of getting grumpy.

Take a look at the ISO section - my post under sailmakers of only a few days ago. There are 10 sets of ISO and 10 sets of Buzz sails on order - and by e-mail today - we understand they are in transit and due for availability imminently. Will post a date as soon as we know for sure. Mean time the best way of anyone getting sails is to place your order with W&W. No order ? Guess you may be at the back of the queue and staying grumpy.

The Technical Committees have been working extremely hard over the last several months in working with potential sail suppliers. The objective is to ensure continuity of supply of sails that have been properly tested and are as near like for like performance as possible to maintain the one design performance. This work is drawing to a close which will result in sails being available in time for the new season.

As I said in the other post - it isn't going to be possible to please all of the people all of the time - but we're having a darned good shot at it. There will be announcements at the Dinghy Show and as much as possible beforehand.

Your committees are doing the jobs you've asked them to do. It isn't easy and they don't get paid for it. Some support for those going out of their way to make it happen for everyone would be helpful.
 
Colinsc Posted: 10-Jan-07 00:09
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The post was put earlier by myself was not put as an opinion of what the technical committee are doing ,having sailed in other classes this class has committees that obviously care about the class and are doing a fantastic job to ensure its survival and growth.
Would an idea not to be to appoint two official sailmakers that would at least ensure continuity of supply and as with other things on the boat they are the same but different.This is only a suggestion!
 
Jane_Mark Buzz 847 Posted: 10-Jan-07 09:11
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Three cheers for all those hard working souls behind the scenes.
 
Mark Dowling Posted: 10-Jan-07 11:59
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Absolutely no criticism of our excellent committee which I believe is a key strength of the class - but just wonder why we have to have sobstaad as sole supplier - plenty of other classes have a wide range of suppliers - personally I would prefer my sails to be made in UK by a good small committed sail loft we could all talk to
 
Lloyd Walker Posted: 10-Jan-07 12:28
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I have no criticism of all those working away behind the scenes either. My worries stem from my conversation with W&W. They told me they doubted the Sobstadt sails would arrive in January. Now I am glad to hear that Bob has confirmation that the sails are on their way.I e-mailed W&W to ask for delivery dates and prices before ringing them some weeks later and received no reply. This worried me so I rang them. They told me that work was being done to source new sails and developements were being made, great.My question is will the new sails be approved to use at this years nationals? Or if we don't get sails from the new batch of Sobstadt are we out for this year? I guess from the first message on this thread Mark spoke to W&W too and was left feeling worried-but getting a flying fifteen is a bit OTT!
 
Pete Lindley Posted: 10-Jan-07 12:57
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Mark - "but just wonder why we have to have sobstad as sole supplier"

This may not be the case in the near future. Several sail makers have been approached, with very good feedback. Free (not 3) sets of sails have been produced for trial by the possible new manufacturers. These are and have been used by several top guys in the ISO. Weather over the past month or two has hampered us a LITTLE.

This is also the case with spars (not sparEs) and hulls.

Dinghy Show is our target to release confirmed info regarding all topics that those at the AGM requested the committee take on board to work on.

We know the problems in the past. You know we know the problems. You also know what the class asked the committee to do for them.

I would say that if you want a sail for club racing, get what you want from any manufacturer. But when class racing - months away at present, you will have to get a sail from an authorised sail manufacturer.

In the mean time, anybody help with this?
http://www.isoracing.org.uk/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&act
ion=opentopic&topic=53&forum=News_and_General_Information




Pete

[Edited by Pete Lindley on 10-Jan-07 13:01]
 
Mark Dowling Posted: 10-Jan-07 14:45
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Pete/Bob - thanks for that sounds promising would you recommend any manufacturer to get one made up for club racing as you suggest?
 
graham_737 Posted: 10-Jan-07 15:40
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I understand that everyone has been working really hard towards the dinghy show and i for one really do appreciate what's being done.

The one question i have, and Lloyd was asking the same thing, is this; Are the new developments aimed at being the same speed/design as the old?? I completely understand that we are going to new makers for things, but are the designs going to change?

I think that these questions should at least be answered so that everyone knows the situation going into the new season. For example if someone wants a new suit of sails, should they go sobstad? Cos if you do and then the new sails are faster then thats 's down the drain.

Thanks once again for all the effort.

Graham
 
Pete Lindley Posted: 10-Jan-07 16:11
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But on the other hand, if you don't know tactics, or have poor boat handling, but excellent backstroke / front crawl etc, then would a 0.2knot speed difference really make a difference to you?

The boats that have been trialing have their own opinions and I cannot speak for them at all. It will be news to me when it appears at the dinghy show. I would say that there will be a transitional year where some new sails are on the circuit and we really will see if there is any difference to performance.

As a part time sailor who is still in hibernation and faffing with putting radiators on the wall along with skirting board and tiling, I can honestly say I won't be purchasing new sails as yet - unless the mice have moved into 1013 and eaten them in the mean time!

Pete

[Edited by Pete Lindley on 10-Jan-07 16:12]
 
Stu B Posted: 11-Jan-07 00:15
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Mark,

My recommendation would be to be patient and await the arrival of the new batch of sails. In the mean time maybe a useable 2nd hand one may be available??

Otherwise, i can fully recommend Cygnus Sails at Kettering. I believe they make complete sails and they do a superb job. They repaired our RS800 main to 'as new' condition. The repair was to replace most of the panels below the bottom batten, so quite a bit of work. I must add that the sail was damaged before i bought the boat!! Cygnus Sails can be reached via www.cygnus-sails.com

Stuart.
Buzz 763.

Ps - Buzz 763 will be making an appearance at the London Boat Show this weekend, may see you there . . .

[Edited by Stu B on 11-Jan-07 00:16]
 
Barry Newport Posted: 11-Jan-07 08:24
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Mark, How badly damaged is your Jib? Speak to Rich at concept sails, His details are on this site, there is not much he cant do!
Thanks to everybody working hard behind the scene.

Barry.
 
Mark Dowling Posted: 11-Jan-07 09:21
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thanks for the advice chaps much appreciated
 

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