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Topic: Pointing - main sheet pressure |
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Mark Wilson |
Posted: 23-Jun-08 16:12 |
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Hi
We are still struggling to point as well with our Hyde sails as we did with our old Sobstads and even against the other club Buzz using Sobstads we find we are quite a few degrees off where we would like to be pointing. We have tried adjusting the various bits of string but can't really work out what does make a difference. Unfortunantely we never get enough time on the water with the other Buzz to play with various settings to be able to do meaningful comparisons. I have read Farter & Chunders thoughts on the Iso page but these all seem to be about getting the most out of the sais in terms of speed rather than pointing. We do put a lot of rig tension on - could this make a difference? With the Stobstads we found more rig tension helped up to point. We are using less kicker that we used to in stronger winds and generally less cunningham until overpowered.
I am also struggling more than I did sheeting in the last bit when beating in mid-range winds (when we are about on the limit before having to think about de-powering) though don't actually think this is to do with the sails - though would be interested to hear if others think the load on the main sheet is any different I know I am not as strong as most of the other helms but should this be giving me grief or do you think it could be worth changing the blocks? I am reluctant to change them if it is unlikley to make much difference as it will be a bit of a hassle as they are inter-twined with the boom webbing. They seem to spin OK but not brilliantly. The other thing I think it could possibly be is that the main sheet is now several years old and has slightly kinked where it goes round the tight corners of the blocks (hardly noticable unless you are really looking for excuses!) - we do wash it to get the saltourt regularly.
Any tips/advice would be very much appreciated (Pete - before you say come to the training this week-end we would love to but unfortunately have a function we can't get out of - though we would love to join in the training in Italy on the 1st August if there are still places!)
Many thanks
Jane |
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joshpreater |
Posted: 23-Jun-08 16:43 |
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I personally use more kicker with the hydes. I also never let the swatcher off, i don't really use any cunningham unless its stonking and i find i point better with the hydes. I also found i adjust the strops more and to a more accurate degree but this is probaly just me finally being bothered 
On the topic of sheet pressure i definately find the hydes heavier on the main
Josh
[Edited by joshpreater on 23-Jun-08 16:47] |
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Pete Lindley |
Posted: 23-Jun-08 17:41 |
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Eurocup and Nationals training places are unlimited.
Maybe try moving up one hole on the shrouds and see what happens? If you have 2 races back to back, maybe put two fast pins in each shroud chainplate so you can easily alter the shroud settings on the water without fear of losing the pins overboard!
1 pin in the hole to give you the rake setting you require, then put the other fast pin in the hole above it so that you have both pins going through the shroud eye, but only one is loaded up. Then if you want to go up a hole, ease rig tension and pull the bottom pin out and put it in the hole above the other pin so now the other pin is under load. No need to take both pins out at once to alter rake so therefore a bit safer.
http://www.sailboats.co.uk/Product~Rwo_Fast_PinDoppler_Pin_5_x_12mm_P
ull_Type_R6712.html
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paolomoncia |
Posted: 25-Jun-08 15:01 |
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I actually do not find the Hydes that heavier on the main. But I did not sail with really heavy winds up to now. About pointing, I'd suggest to try pulling more kicker, I don't think you need less than with the Sobstads. And that also will help with the main, as with little kicker when you pull the main in the last part you not only pull IN, but also need to pull the boom DOWN adding load to the sheet.
I think pointing is much about getting right strops and kicker position, give it a try!
See you in Italy
Paolo |
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Mark Wilson |
Posted: 26-Jun-08 15:10 |
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Thanks for all the comments - we'll have a play with the above suggestions and see how we get on.
It's interesting to hear your views on the kicker - we were taking a lead from Richard Lewis's comments on the Hyde sails from the Iso website....'As the wind increases have the swatcher on full, kicker starts coming on (though not as much as on the Sobstads), outhaul off a bit and a small amount more in the barber-haulers'. Anyway I'll try pulling on a bit more kicker as well as trying the other suggestions, we are usually quite good at adjusting the strop length so don't think that is the problem.
Really looking forward to Italy, not long to go now.....
Cheers
Jane and Mark |
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Jane_Mark Buzz 847 |
Posted: 27-Jul-08 09:15 |
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Hi
Thanks for all the tips - however we have now found the main reason the main being so difficult. The rivet on the strop popped so we re-rivetted it but in doing so moved the strops closer together. This didn't allow enough room for the main to run freely as the stopper knot rubs against the sheet causing friction. Now our job for the morning is to go and fix this and pack the boat up for Italy - I am getting excited!
Cheers
Jane |
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