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Mark Allatson ISO685 Posted: 05-Jun-08 15:34
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We are having problems with the kite drop and would like to know if you should pull the pole in before dropping the kite, at the same time or after? Have read the crewing tips page and it suggests that its done together but not certain.

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joshpreater Posted: 05-Jun-08 15:57
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Uncleat the pole and the halyard and hold in your left hand then pick up the downhaul in your right hand and when you want to drop release the left hand and pull hand over hand on the downhaul, when you get to the last pull i found a slightly more agressive pull will jerk the pole into the boat.

I'm sure pete will come along soon and give his tuppence
 
Mark Allatson ISO685 Posted: 05-Jun-08 16:02
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cheers josh, that clears that one up - we're coming to the training at KGSC so I expect you'll be able to show us how to do it properly there.

[Edited by Mark Allatson ISO685 on 05-Jun-08 16:03]
 
Pete Lindley Posted: 06-Jun-08 10:14
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Well remembered Josh! I knew our weekend racing wasn't in vain!

Once uncleated and holding in your left hand, you must take up the slack in the downhaul before you let go else your hands won't be able to catch up with the kite as it comes down.

It will all be covered in the training weekend.

http://www.isoracing.org.uk/iso_guides/handling/crewing.htm

Crew also to stand up in the middle of the boat. The reason for this is that you can get bigger pulls, can work faster, knots are less likely to appear, all resulting in less chance of trawling for mackerel.

Usual scenario - Crew does the kite hoist, helm does the pole launch. Crew does everything on the drop.

If small crew, helm can hoist whilst crew sits there pulls the pole out and gets ready. Not an advisable situation this - especially if in lots of traffic rounding one of the marks.

You can also convert the double rope system pole launch / kite halyard to a single rope system:
http://www.isoracing.org.uk/iso_guides/isotweaks/pole_modification.ht
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Pete

[Edited by Pete Lindley on 06-Jun-08 10:23]
 
Neil Ashby Posted: 27-Jun-08 16:33
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I beg to differ on the drop, we are prob the quickest at hoisting and dropping the kite in the fleet. On the drop nick goes and releases the pole and then starts to take slack up on the drop and just before it goes taught i the helm releases the kite halyard as well as having the kite sheet in my hand. With this method the crew doesnt have to pause to stop but continues hand over hand pulling it down. takes about 5 pulls!

Neil iso 1195
 
Colin Snook Posted: 28-Jun-08 07:58
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Is it still common practice for the helm to take the windward (i.e. wrong) kite sheet?
(I think that's what it says in the tips but it never seemed to do much for me so I take the leeward one from the crew)
If so what is the idea behind it?
Colin
 
Ian Moss Posted: 28-Jun-08 10:52
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We do it the same way as Neil and can confirm it is generally pretty quick.

I struggled when I crewed with Pete and it felt alot slower mainly because I had to concentrate on more than just pulling the kite down. (Pete said I just was a c**p crew, hence why we swapped over!)

Another thing was he had a sheet takeup system on Pete's so as soon as I uncleated the pole it came inboard and the kite collapsed making it worse. I don't have a take up system rigged so we can uncleat the pole early. (We have even sailed without a cleat on the pole but in light winds and choppy seas the pole would sometimes come in so I fixed it.) My crew passes me the sheet, unleats the pole, takes up the slack then I uncleat the kite and feed the sheet through. This means the kite doesn't fall in the water and the crew always has a small amount of tension to pull against. Tidying up the ropes is another story but the important thing is getting the kite down and doing a good rounding.

I do sometimes hold the windward sheet on the hoist as it is closest to me and I can get the kite pulling before the crew has settled down and has a chance to take the windward sheet. I sail very deep like this until the crew is ready and then head up a bit when they have taken up the kite sheet.

If there is another behind you they can sail over the top while sailing deep so sometimes don't bother and concentrate on holding position although being to leward at the first gybe can be an advantage in certain conditions.

In answer to Colin, I never hold the windward sheet at the drop.

Ian
 
Bob Ladell Posted: 01-Jul-08 13:43
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5 pulls Neil ??

Nick making tea or something ?

3 pulls - I've got a Luke


Bob
 
Nick lett Posted: 01-Jul-08 15:46
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No no Bob, its because my arms are a blur so Neil can't count how many pulls it takes.
 
Neil Ashby Posted: 02-Jul-08 09:30
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Its not his fault Bob, He has small arms!
 
Bob Ladell Posted: 08-Jul-08 15:05
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Obviously confusion on 1195

Long may it continue
 
Mark Allatson ISO685 Posted: 28-Jul-08 13:45
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Yippee - three successful drops at the weekend - I know it doesn't sound much but it's a major breakthrough for 685. Fairly light conditions admittedly but we were very pleased and are definitely making progress. My young crew managed to get it in the bag with 5 or 6 yanks which I thought was highly commendable for a youngster - another 6 months and he'll have muscles like popeye!

[Edited by Mark Allatson ISO685 on 28-Jul-08 13:47]
 
Pete Lindley Posted: 28-Jul-08 17:26
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Well done Mark! Practice makes perfect!!
 
Bob Ladell Posted: 28-Jul-08 23:13
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Well done Charlie !!!

Pleased to see that our efforts in the much stronger stuff at KGSC are paying off.

Keep it going - you're well on your way

Bob
 
Mark Allatson ISO685 Posted: 29-Jul-08 08:49
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Cheers guys have a great time in Italy - wish we were joining you! Next year we'll have to get over there.
 
deanlillywhite Posted: 04-Aug-08 01:07
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Standing in the middle of the boat is indeed sound advice Pete just make sure your helms nose is not within striking distance
 

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